thenexusofprivacy (@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange)
1000%. https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115744566383286139 touches on some of the same points - including the need for vigilance.
As things worked out Fedi was just a positioning spin and contingency plan for them. That said they were clearly hoping it would be more an accelerator in some way or they wouldn't have dumped the resources into it that they did ... and if it seemed like they were really making progress they would have invested more.
The fierce and high-profile resistance of #FediPact and the Free Fediverse made it clear that nope, the "upsides" they were hoping for probably weren't going to happen. Of course that's not the only thing that changed but it's certainly a big factor!
And as you say, just like Gab, they're widely defederated. Defederation' is a blunt tool and fedi relies on it too much but it is effective at fighting fascists!
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ophiocephalic (@ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)
@thenexusofprivacy
This is indeed a positive signal. That said, as long as an enemy element is still on the working group, ongoing vigilance is indicated.
It's not all that surprising that they're getting "bored" with ActivityPub. The regulatory threat is waning with the fascist capture of the US and possible in-progress collapse of GDPR, so the need to openwash in this particular manner is no longer as acute. And I will always believe that the pushback from #FediPact and the widespread response of revulsion from the community was a thing they had not previously encountered, were inept at countering, and that successfully pissed into their punchbowl.
In fact, most of the fedi is blocking them at this point except for the flagship, so if/when they pull out altogether almost no one will even notice except for the collaborators
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thenexusofprivacy (@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange)
đź‘€ From the Verge's interview with Connor Hayes, the head of Threads:
Threads still supports federation with other apps like Mastodon, but Hayes was clear that it’s not a top priority for the current roadmap. “It’s something that we’re supporting, it’s something that we’re maintaining, but it’s not the thing that we’re talking about that’s gonna help the app break out,” he said.
“As someone who has built a zillion consumer products, it’s just really hard to keep these divergent platforms and products consistent on the same protocol over time,” he explained. “There’s always going to be the trade-offs that these companies are thinking about of how much energy do I want to pour into compatibility with this ecosystem versus iterating on this thing I’m building and seeing what’s valuable.”
So wow, it's almost like Mark F---ing Zuckerberg was LYING when he talked about the importance of decentralization when Threads launched! Who, who could have predicted?
Although of course, they're Meta, they could well be lying again. So let's not get complacent here. Still, it's a good opportunity to take a moment to laugh at all the fediverse influencers who pointed to Threads adoption of ActivityPub as a huge victory for our cause -- and a key ingredient to fedi's success going forward. How'd that work out?
And let's also give credit where credit is due: @FediPact and everybody else who pushed back so strongly against Threads and made it clear that so many of us really don't want them here. They've got infinite resources, and If they were seeing value from the integration, they'd continue to push it. It sounds like they're not, at least for now. Good news!!!!
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rwg (@rwg@aoir.social)
Content warning:Daily random quote out of context from my academic book about Mastodon
First, it is false to argue that the #fedipact members are against openness. As I have argued across this bok, the covenantal fediverse is open to people who want to become members. They just have to do a few things: see themselves not as signing up for social media, but joining a community and abiding by its ethical standards....
https://moveslowlybuildbridges.com
#MoveSlowlyAndBuildBridges #bot
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thenexusofprivacy (@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange)
On the Threads numbers, your theory that they're counting people on Instagram and get shown a Threads post is certainly plausible.
Details aside though the most likely explanation seems to me that Meta is lying (as they have about numnbers in the past -- remember the "pivot to video" lolsob).
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ophiocephalic (@ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)
@FediPact
My two cents: IMO Meta's incursion into the fedi was part of an attempt to openwash their slimy operation in a time when regulators were breathing down their necks on both sides of the pond. The threat to them is dissipating now; the antitrust trial is over and, with the fash in control here, regulation is dead in the US. And now big tech is moving to corrupt the GDPR in the EU, so the age of digital regulation in Europe may be ending too.
If you ask me the remaining worry here isn't that joke of a bridge. Recall that at the beginning of the year, when Zuckerberg went (more) fash, most of the larger moderate servers blocked or limited Threads, functionally if not spiritually joining the radical FediPact instances in turning their backs on Meta. It would be more correct at this point to say that Threads federates with mastodon.social, than with the fedi as a whole.
The bigger problem is Meta's ongoing involvement with SWICG and the AP1.1 development process. That is truly terrifying and that's what I will continue to target with my intermittent rants on here. My hope is that, if they once saw fedi as a threat to their command-and-control silo, they will now understand the threat to have been neutralized by the successful corporate recuperation of the decentralization-buzz by Bluesky, and decide it's no longer worth the bother.
Oh, and if FediPact Day does ever arrive, fedi is having a BIG PARTY and everyone's invited except for Zuckerberg's useful idiots
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FediPact (@FediPact@cyberpunk.lol)
what the fuck was even the point of threads trying to federate? afaik it still doesn't work even halfway properly. and there hasn't been any word of it in a while. what the hell happened?
if meta announce they're shelving activitypub integration i am gonna turn the day of the announcement into FediPact Day, a yearly celebration of resistance to corpo control on the fediverse and in online indie spaces generally
here's to hoping, i suppose
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438punkhouse (@438punkhouse@thesocialweb.ca)
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Our intention is for this instance to serve users who are based in Montreal. So, locals only please. If you are looking for an anarchist instance with open registration, we recommend kolektiva.social.
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pxlfd-ca (@pxlfd-ca@thesocialweb.ca)
Pxlfd.ca
🇨🇦 pxlfd.ca is an image-sharing community hosted by Canadians in Canada. We employ Pixelfed, an open-source, ethical alternative to Instagram/Threads/Facebook, Twitter/X, etc that's created and maintained by Canadian Daniel Supernault / dansup. We are connected to the fediverse by way of the ActivityPub protocol. We are a signatory of the #FediPact and have defederated from threads.net. We are not affiliated with pixelfed.org. Go to Pxlfd.ca Statshttps://thesocialweb.ca/pxlfd-ca/
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vantablack (@vantablack@cyberpunk.lol)
i have published the full text of the SeaGL 2025 FediPact talk on The Rainbow Report!!! there will be a video eventually hopefully too!!!!!
https://rainbow.report/fedipact-why-seagl-2025-talk/
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FediPact (@FediPact@cyberpunk.lol)
i have published the full text of the SeaGL 2025 FediPact talk on The Rainbow Report!!! there will be a video eventually hopefully too!!!!!
https://rainbow.report/fedipact-why-seagl-2025-talk/
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vantablack (@vantablack@cyberpunk.lol)
oh right i gotta post the text of the #FediPact talk to the #RainbowReport lmao
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