steve (@steve@social.technoetic.com)
What is the process of publishing #ActivityPub “notes” in the W3C SocialCG or one of its Task Forces (if it’s a different answer)?
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
Other than that, some musings..
Your project looks very nice. Kudos! However, the past couple years I've probably seen a quadrillion instant messenger projects pass by. The screenshot on the website is "yet another familiar IM chat UI".
But if I just read your tagline of "Decentralized #P2P encrypted messaging" and I close my eyes a bit, I can picture 'universal messaging' and see something very powerful.
In #ActivityPub conceptual architecture this exists in theory, but the #fediverse diverges from that. In #XMPP and #Matrix protocol realms you hear people say "you can build any social networking use case with the protocol", but then all the documentation and discussions relate narrowly to IM and some of the hardwired abstractions assume IM (like Room in matrix).
With universal messaging I might be empowered with https://eventmodeling.org and https://eventcatalog.dev like solution design, using SDK's on top of a robust p2p protocol component. To model IM and more.
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ben (@ben@bluetoot.hardill.me.uk)
RE: https://mastodon.social/@futtta/116116395433029606
I've been waiting for this as I run a pre-block theme, but looks like I'm going to have to work out how to style it as it looked a bit out of place on the Twenty Fifteen theme.
Mainly needs some left padding to line it up with the comments.
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revstanton (@revstanton@mastodon.social)
I have recently created and launched a new platform called Inkwell. It's designed to integrate with ActivityPub, using open-source code available on my GitHub. There is a lot of work to do, but I'm excited, as I loved online journaling as a kid. Now, having a space I can create as my own (with community feedback) is a dream come true. Here's hoping to others join us on Inkwell and become Pen Pals! #ActivityPub #Fediverse #Indiedev #NewHere
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naturzukunft2026 (@naturzukunft2026@mastodon.social)
@cwebber @eyeinthesky @smallcircles @evan Apart from the fact that I would prefer turtle, I am very happy that AP ‘prescribes’ json-ld. This opens the door to many of my ideas. It makes possible what would be very complicated without #RDF. It's about time that the AP developers got to grips with it! https://rdf-pub.org/#rdf
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amilatled (@amilatled@snac.la10cy.net)
MastoBlaster looks really Great! A snac-first iOS Fediverse Client! :)
Already found a Little bug: on an iPhone SE2 screen, the First character gets cut and is Not shown :)
@mastoblaster@mastoblaster.app couldnt find a repo or issue Tracker to Open a bug Report for this :)
#mastoblaster #snac #snac2 #activitypub #fediverse #ios #client
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
What we need is the ability to support #ChaordicOrganization on the #ActivityPub #fediverse.
https://coding.social/blog/reimagine-social/#chaordic-organization
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116119514853649098
To get back to 'shared ownership' and @ben article that triggered my blog post.
The #fediverse is certainly not all cheerleaders, but the question is whether critical notes can be properly heard and addressed in any meaningful way. After all who are the ones who should hear them and act on them? It is "the herd", the crowd, the commons that happens to receive toots via their social graph, and to the extent these manage to penetrate bubbles and echo chambers. To make a strong argument, to reach people, the only strategy is social media influence marketing of sorts. You have to dare to rock the boat enough to be heard. And that's a very bad way to grow a healthy ecosystem I think.
It relates to the oft-heared criticism that on the app-centric #ActivityPub fediverse, it is the app devs who are de-facto in charge and decide what goes and what goes not.
The social dynamics are tricky but fascinating. I hope to be able to spend more time at https://coding.social
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
Here we come to my new interest area.. I spent a metric ton of time advocating for #fediverse and #ActivityPub and that was initially all on a very optimistic note on how our ecosystem would mature and grow over time, fostering a healthy future for itself.
That however didn't go as planned. You might say that the entirety of the fediverse is still primarily tech-driven. Tech-first approaches that do not differ too much of the much reviled and rejected 'techbro approach'.
Sure, there are plenty discussions on whether an app feature is 'ethical' or not, with discussions on e.g. opt-in vs. opt-out. But that is again purely app-centric.
Where is the dev ecosystem headed, where should they focus, what externalities exist? Where do we want future #fediverse as a whole to be? What's the vision?
And then we come to the social side of things, both in the small, but also in-the-large. Technosphere aligned and subservient to Sociosphere. That is focus of https://coding.social
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
@eyeinthesky @cwebber @evan @deadsuperhero
There are a couple of really great #IETF documents on protocol design and maintenance. You often see me mentioning protocol decay, which is only a paragraph in the splendid #RFC9413 Maintaining Robust Protocols.
The next section for instance is on detrimental ecosystem effects if you are either to stricly encorfing standards or are too laissez faire.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9413.html
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smallcircles (@smallcircles@social.coop)
I think a problem is more that instead of "ActivityPub has JSON-LD" you might also say that AP delegates to.. or even 'handwaves' to linked data.
#ActivityPub is linked data --> ✅ Extensibility mechanism DONE"
Which is either..
- By far not the case, if you consider the promise and power of ActivityPub
- May perhaps be true, if you have a very particular notion on what the fediverse is and isn't.
That last bit remained unspoken, so what AP vs. fediverse is, is really in the eye of the beholder. There exists no shared (technology) vision. https://discuss.coding.social/t/major-challenges-for-the-fediverse/67
With the extensibility mechanism unclear, there is no clear separation either to what is protocol and what is solution space, and there's continuous confusion around this.
I replied to @evan yesterday, as his remark would entail that all post-facto interoperability introduced on-the-fly by app impls would have to be honored now in the standards. What standards process does that give?
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116115122555695006
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fedizen (@fedizen@mastodon.social)
#Thefediverse is a #decentralised #socialmedia network where users can interact across different platforms and servers.
🙌 It offers advantages like increased #resilience against censorship and enhanced user #privacy.
🎭 While it could simplify #contentcreation and audience growth for #influencers, it still requires #creators to tailor #content to each platform.
👉 https://mashable.com/article/what-is-the-fediverse?Fedizen.EU #Fedizen #Fediverse #ActivityPub #News
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