Da quäle ich mich seit Tagen mit der Fedilap-App, um damit auch bei Friendica unterwegs sein zu können, um dann festzustellen, dass es mittels Webinterface (Browser) viel besser auf dem Smartphone funktioniert.
Irgendwie scheint Fedilab seit einiger Zeit nicht richtig zu fluppen 😀
Content warning:Major breakage on Hubzilla 10.6 due to switching to FEP-e232 Object Links; CW: long (over 5,000 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
Content warning:Major breakage on Hubzilla 10.6 due to switching to FEP-e232 Object Links; CW: long (over 5,000 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
Auch erlebe ich leider immer wieder, dass in einem solchen Diskussionsstrang nicht alle Antworten angezeigt werden.
Das ist etwas was mich an manchen langen Mastodon Threads wirklich nervt. Es geht zwar um ein Thema, aber dadurch das es in so Mini-Häppchen aufgesplittet werden muss geht manchmal leider einiges verloren. Meistens lese ich dann nicht weiter wenn ich mir den Thread erst irgendwie zusammensuchen muss.
Daher halte ich einen längeren Post für sinnvoller.
Und auch aus einen langen Beitrag kann man bestimmte Aussagen kommentieren, wenn es denn vernünftige Formatierungsoptionen gibt.
Deshalb bin ich ja ein großer Fan von #Friendica. Wenn man möchte kann man kurze Tweets/Trööts oder wie auch immer raushauen, es gehen aber auch lange und durch Formatierungen auch übersichtliche Beiträge.
Entweder ist Bonfire der schlechte Versuch, das Hubzilla-Rad neu zu erfinden, und zwar von Leuten, die gar nicht wußten, daß so etwas schon existiert, und zwar in gut. Guck dir die ganzen Leute an, die über Bonfire jubeln. Soweit ich das gesehen habe, sind das alles nur Mastodon-Nutzer. Und mindestens 75% aller Mastodon-Nutzer haben von Hubzillas Existenz noch nie gehört, geschweige denn davon, was Hubzilla kann.
Oder Bonfire ist der schlechte Versuch, in direkte Konkurrenz zu Friendica, Hubzilla und den Rest der Familie zu gehen, mit viel Blabla statt vernünftig funktionierender Software und mit den vielen Mastodon-Nutzern als Zielgruppe, die noch nie von Hubzilla gehört haben und auch Friendica nicht aus der Nähe kennen.
Praktisch alles, was Bonfire vollmundig verspricht und nach @Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂s Erfahrungen immer noch nicht geliefert hat, hat Hubzilla schon vor gut zehn Jahren tatsächlich geliefert. Und wenn nicht vor gut zehn Jahren, dann im Laufe dieser zehn Jahre.
So die erste Version des #Ansible Playbooks für #Friendica ist fertig und auch schon mehrmals deployed worden. Man kann bei Hetzner VServer wirklich sehr schnell einreißen ;)
07.11.2025 07:17 display (@display@friendica.world) Me acabo de enterar que #Mastodon comienza a soportar la #Cita de mensajes... creo que le haria bien hechar un vistazo alas #rrss amigas dentro del #Fediverso, en especial a la enorme variedad de funciones que ya trae #Friendica y añadir varias a la propia
Ya en pie, enfrentando la primera luz del día con la mejor compañía: mi café. Ese néctar oscuro que despierta los sentidos y ayuda a hilar los pensamientos antes de que las ondas hertzianas nos unan de nuevo.
Espero que su mañana sea igualmente prometedora. Recuerden respirar y conectar con la tierra bajo sus pies.
06.11.2025 06:28 display (@display@missocial.de) Guten Morgen, wieder eine #friendica Frage. Kann ich irgendwo einstellen, dass ich nur die Ursprungsbeiträge sehe und die Antworten bei Bedarf aufklappen kann? Es stört schon etwas, wenn Seitenweise Antworten zu einem Beitrag kommen, der mich nicht interessiert. Ich habe mal einen Screenshot angehängt wie das ganze bei Hubzilla aussieht.
Ugg, kinda tired of #friendica , my blog is down again, not sure why, waiting to hear back on that, but this is on top of Friendica not being entirely to my taste. On one hand I love the built in feed reader and #diaspora compatibility, and the lack of a character limit and #bbcode compatibility are nice extras, but at the same time the interface ain't real great, and really I'd like at least the first two on something more like Diaspora or Mastodon